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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Apr 28, 2018 11:08:46 GMT -5
I know many GM's have expressed their frustration with free agency sniping when the clock on a winning bid is about to expire, another GM comes in with a minimum bid to restart the clock, and an entire day has been wasted while many other free agents come off the board at the expense of the GM that was sniped. Now I will acknowledge here, that there is nothing illegal as it currently stand with the concept of sniping, its a part of the game and rules. However, I have seen abuses of it in other leagues, where certain teams can be cock-blocked out of free agency if a division or conference rival wishes to make another teams free agency miserable.
I specifically remember in one league I was in, that there was one league member who every off-season free agency period would determine his own price value for free agents and then head to the last page of the thread and purposely bump up all the players at a minimum bid (0.10) who's clocks were about to expire because that particular GM felt that the market price on those players was not sufficient for his own personal liking. To me, that is a form of price fixing. Legal yes, but dastardly IMO.
So I am opening this thread up to any ideas GM's may have to deal with free agency sniping.
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Apr 28, 2018 18:57:13 GMT -5
I like the premise of this rule but not sure how we can really enforce it. The one way I think we could do is change the time clock for bidding maybe we do a schedule like: Week 1 of UFA : 12 hour bidding clock Week 2 of UFA: 18 hour bidding clock rest of UFA: 24 hour bidding clock
This would be the amount of time a bid has to stand before the player is won. The time schedule is based on activity, week 1 is by far the most active period, there shouldn't be a problem getting a bid within 12 hours. This may discourage sniping because money is not tied up in bids for as long of a period.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Apr 28, 2018 21:21:14 GMT -5
Its been suggested to me by one league GM that passing a rule concerning sniping is not necessary, that all we need to do is put out the word that we need to conduct free agency in a more gentlemanly manner.
Thoughts?
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Apr 28, 2018 21:43:12 GMT -5
That would possibly help but the reality is there is no real way to stop the snipe. I think some GM’s will still do it no matter what. This may deter some but it’s still legal so it will probably be used. I will say it seemed to be less this year than in years past and in other leagues I’m in. It’s frustrating but I don’t know that I would say it is as big of a problem as in other leagues
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 0:12:00 GMT -5
Maybe do something like if their is only 1hr left on someone winning a bid you have to bid at least 1mil that would stop sniping IMO
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Apr 29, 2018 0:25:19 GMT -5
Simple fix You bid after the 20 hour mark the bidding team must do two th8ngs 1. Identify as a snipe bid 2. Bid at least 1M more of the previous bid
If a team doesn’t do one of those, then they lose out on the player
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Post by Broncos GM (Kevin) on Apr 29, 2018 7:08:42 GMT -5
So much money floating around that a 1M bid up won't stop much sniping, I do think 24 hours is a little long. 16-18 hours makes more sense and the snipe is then nowhere near as painful..I know because I play in a few 12-16 hour rebid leagues
I'd certainly add a clock option if we're going to vote on this issue
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 8:49:08 GMT -5
i know for a fact in one of these leagues i brought up this matter last offseason and was ignored. But this happens every year but it seems that this year has been the worse for sniping in EVERY league . Maybe instead of a minimum raise there should be a certain percentage wage increase when it passes 20 hours.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Apr 29, 2018 9:19:49 GMT -5
As league manager, I dont want to get caught up in an emotional argument because maybe we have been personally sniped and thus we are out to change league rules for personal reasons. If we go down the path of changing the current free agent system we need to point out the inherent flaws of the current system, and in a reasoned matter try and find a better solution to this system.
That being said, I have always found the current system of free agency in most leagues to be flawed, and I have seen the abuse by individual league members hold other league members hostage while on the clock. I also believe it is very easy for alliances to be formed under the current system, and that Im sure abuses and conspiracies (that I cannot prove) against other leagues members have occurred.
This is my ultimate goal here, to root out what appears to be an injustice in the current bidding system, and try and find a way to make the league fairer, while also at the same time trying to root out alot of frustrations in regards to sniping for leagues members.
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Apr 29, 2018 9:28:11 GMT -5
I think changing the time clock is the way to go if we need to change it.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Apr 29, 2018 9:44:02 GMT -5
Instead of a 23 hour snipe Now would be 11 hr snipe....what’s the difference ?
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Apr 29, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -5
There is no way to truly eliminate the problem in my opinion but if you change the time to a 12 hour clock then it’s much quicker teams can’t have their money tied up for as long and teams don’t have as much time to wait it also makes for a quick decision period for teams to make. I think teams would have to focus on the guys they want. Like I have previously said I don’t think we can ever eliminate sniping but changing the clock could help as it shortens the time and makes GM’s make tougher decisions in a quicker time frame.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Apr 29, 2018 10:59:55 GMT -5
We can’t eliminate But I think we need to create an incentive (1M min raise) not to snipe
This incentive will reduce sniping imo significantly. That’s what I want...but is that the goal of this...that’s a question for the league
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Apr 29, 2018 11:16:38 GMT -5
I believe that is the goal, it may help but to people that have 50M in cap then I’m not sure that 1M will really deter them. I think a time change could at least make it more difficult as players come off the board faster. I do think the 1M will deter some but just not sure it’s drastic enough. I could be wrong though for sure.
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Apr 29, 2018 16:33:04 GMT -5
In considering all of the aforementioned thoughts on the matter, I think it would be beneficial to keep the facts, as it pertains to the Rules and fantasy, in the forefront in light to any proposed "fixes".
First, the Rule which governs provides "24 hours". What we are attempting to correct is in no way a violation of this Rule. Second, because of the above Rule, "Sniping" as it is being expressed - as an attempt to "limit" its application - does not actually exist.
Now I may be wrong, but believe that the time frame (24 hours) was meant to cover the league internationally...or in other words, to account for the differing time zones throughout the world. In addition, we must also account for real life...not everyone's schedule will always fall within this time frame of submitting a bid.
With the above facts in mind, the only real facts supporting a modification revolve around questions of either hurt feelings or ethics.
Since fantasy UFA does not (and in many ways can not) emulate RL, we created a "bidding process". It's an artificial way of creating fun through competition. A more realistic way would be to have GM's place one blind bid and be done with it - however, this isn't a desirable method. Therefore our current process remains the favorite.
So here's how I see it...If the Rule was to be manipulated - those it was meant to accommodate may suffer. In other words, penalising a GM because of his or her failure to bid within the confines (timeline) of the Rule, i.e., RL issues. With this understanding, the identifying a bid by being a "snipe" would be difficult to determine. If it is 23 hours otc when I recognize a player I want to bid on because I've just been able to get on...or if I was priced out of another similar player, I don't see the harm. If, as Redskins suggested, we could create a time table, it may (or may not) work for the majority.
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