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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Mar 2, 2021 14:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Mar 2, 2021 15:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by Browns GM (Dan) on Mar 2, 2021 15:32:44 GMT -5
I fully agree with closing trading for the moment, realistically we should keep it shut until LMs have had a chance to review the Rules and By-Laws and ensuring that they are updated with all the rules coming into affect but also updated on all boards they are present on. No need to rush this given the stage of the offseason we are in.
Frank, would you be able to confirm the Comp Pick compensation we would be giving Washington if we were to keep the trades and deny a 3rd extension? 1.33, 2.33, 3.33 in the 2021 Draft?
If we decide to allow a 3rd Extension would it be at 16m or 18m?
And if possible could we get some thoughts from the teams involved in the above trades?
Personally I think reversing the trades or allowing Comp Picks would be the preferential option as I'm sure some GMs have been waiting for a chance to acquire Wilson via Free Agency when he eventually hits it. Allowing another 3 years at below market value (A total of 13 years without hitting Free Agency) might have a knock on effect. If all the teams involved with the trades would be willing to renegotiate or revert them that would make this an easy decision, but that would be fully down to them. If we were to allow a 3rd extension I would propose it is not a 3yr extension but a 1 year extension where we also award comp picks (2nd and future 2nd maybe?) as a compromise of allowing a 1yr cheaper 'Franchise Tag Replacement' and then allowing the team owning Wilson to Tag as normal the following years.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Mar 2, 2021 17:05:25 GMT -5
Kudos to Blaine for doing the research on Wilson to find out was his 3rd extension. Also kudos to Dan for catching the extension rule and to Frank for the detailed explanation of what's going on.
In this case I think it's fair to grant the 3rd extension on Wilson. Maybe can make a compromise that it's with the understanding goes to the 18M price and Wilson wouldn't be eligible for FT once his extension expires. That could create more future headache if Wilson is ever traded during that time period though. Would need to keep detailed notes on MFL about it.
I'm not necessarily against the idea of comp picks with a shorter contract for Wilson. Understandable that would give other GM's the chance to sign Wilson sooner but I dunno how fair that is to Blaine. He did his best to confirm Wilson was eligible for the extension. I don't think he should be penalized for that.
I lean more to what I feel is the simplest and maybe most fair way to parties involved is to grant the one time exemption for Wilson on the 3rd extension with the understanding from all GM's was a one time thing.
Ultimately the parties involved in these deals may need to discuss what they feel is fairest way to approach the trades and come to an agreement.
Once that's decided then can figure out what needs to be done about the extension rule. I agree with Dan that we aren't technically in a rush this time of year. Much as I enjoy trading. If things needs to be halted for period while this is figured out so be it. I could see why we would get rid of the 2nd extension. I also think part of dynasty is being able to keep players for a extended period of time so that can be discussed more when talking about the 2nd extension.
I think GM's will be understanding with whatever is figured out. There is a lot of things to keep track of. Not always going to be perfect. We just learn and adapt then the league will be better for it.
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Post by Panthers GM (Jesse) on Mar 2, 2021 18:00:34 GMT -5
Kudos to Blaine for doing the research on Wilson to find out was his 3rd extension. Also kudos to Dan for catching the extension rule and to Frank for the detailed explanation of what's going on. In this case I think it's fair to grant the 3rd extension on Wilson. Maybe can make a compromise that it's with the understanding goes to the 18M price and Wilson wouldn't be eligible for FT once his extension expires. That could create more future headache if Wilson is ever traded during that time period though. Would need to keep detailed notes on MFL about it. I'm not necessarily against the idea of comp picks with a shorter contract for Wilson. Understandable that would give other GM's the chance to sign Wilson sooner but I dunno how fair that is to Blaine. He did his best to confirm Wilson was eligible for the extension. I don't think he should be penalized for that. I lean more to what I feel is the simplest and maybe most fair way to parties involved is to grant the one time exemption for Wilson on the 3rd extension with the understanding from all GM's was a one time thing. Ultimately the parties involved in these deals may need to discuss what they feel is fairest way to approach the trades and come to an agreement. Once that's decided then can figure out what needs to be done about the extension rule. I agree with Dan that we aren't technically in a rush this time of year. Much as I enjoy trading. If things needs to be halted for period while this is figured out so be it. I could see why we would get rid of the 2nd extension. I also think part of dynasty is being able to keep players for a extended period of time so that can be discussed more when talking about the 2nd extension. I think GM's will be understanding with whatever is figured out. There is a lot of things to keep track of. Not always going to be perfect. We just learn and adapt then the league will be better for it. This is pretty much where I am on it as well. I think if all parties agree to invalidate the trades that's a valid option, but it's an honest mistake and I would be fine with the Russell Wilson 3rd extention being granted on a mulligan. It's pretty obvious to all that Frank acts in good faith on issues like this. I dont think comp picks are an effective recourse. My only concern and the reason I believe voiding the trades might be the best move, legacynfl.boards.net/post/37390The Seahawks were clearly under the impression they were trading a QB they could not extend when they made this deal. I think they should have right of refusal to void the trades here.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Mar 2, 2021 18:33:23 GMT -5
Kudos to Blaine for doing the research on Wilson to find out was his 3rd extension. Also kudos to Dan for catching the extension rule and to Frank for the detailed explanation of what's going on. In this case I think it's fair to grant the 3rd extension on Wilson. Maybe can make a compromise that it's with the understanding goes to the 18M price and Wilson wouldn't be eligible for FT once his extension expires. That could create more future headache if Wilson is ever traded during that time period though. Would need to keep detailed notes on MFL about it. I'm not necessarily against the idea of comp picks with a shorter contract for Wilson. Understandable that would give other GM's the chance to sign Wilson sooner but I dunno how fair that is to Blaine. He did his best to confirm Wilson was eligible for the extension. I don't think he should be penalized for that. I lean more to what I feel is the simplest and maybe most fair way to parties involved is to grant the one time exemption for Wilson on the 3rd extension with the understanding from all GM's was a one time thing. Ultimately the parties involved in these deals may need to discuss what they feel is fairest way to approach the trades and come to an agreement. Once that's decided then can figure out what needs to be done about the extension rule. I agree with Dan that we aren't technically in a rush this time of year. Much as I enjoy trading. If things needs to be halted for period while this is figured out so be it. I could see why we would get rid of the 2nd extension. I also think part of dynasty is being able to keep players for a extended period of time so that can be discussed more when talking about the 2nd extension. I think GM's will be understanding with whatever is figured out. There is a lot of things to keep track of. Not always going to be perfect. We just learn and adapt then the league will be better for it. This is pretty much where I am on it as well. I think if all parties agree to invalidate the trades that's a valid option, but it's an honest mistake and I would be fine with the Russell Wilson 3rd extention being granted on a mulligan. It's pretty obvious to all that Frank acts in good faith on issues like this. I dont think comp picks are an effective recourse. My only concern and the reason I believe voiding the trades might be the best move, legacynfl.boards.net/post/37390The Seahawks were clearly under the impression they were trading a QB they could not extend when they made this deal. I think they should have right of refusal to void the trades here. This is probably why the parties involved need to discuss the situation. Assuming the Seahawks knew they could not extend Russel is assuming the GM knew Wilson was already on his 2nd extension. I think this may highlight the importance of GM's are putting the contract options for the current player involved in the trade. This may have been halted beforehand if Wilson was shown as ext2 in the trade thread. Not tryin to place any blame just saying is something GM's may need to be more aware of.
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Post by Browns GM (Dan) on Mar 2, 2021 18:46:58 GMT -5
This is pretty much where I am on it as well. I think if all parties agree to invalidate the trades that's a valid option, but it's an honest mistake and I would be fine with the Russell Wilson 3rd extention being granted on a mulligan. It's pretty obvious to all that Frank acts in good faith on issues like this. I dont think comp picks are an effective recourse. My only concern and the reason I believe voiding the trades might be the best move, legacynfl.boards.net/post/37390The Seahawks were clearly under the impression they were trading a QB they could not extend when they made this deal. I think they should have right of refusal to void the trades here. This is probably why the parties involved need to discuss the situation. Assuming the Seahawks knew they could not extend Russel is assuming the GM knew Wilson was already on his 2nd extension. I think this may highlight the importance of GM's are putting the contract options for the current player involved in the trade. This may have been halted beforehand if Wilson was shown as ext2 in the trade thread. Not tryin to place any blame just saying is something GM's may need to be more aware of. Given what was mentioned by the Seahawks it does appear that he understood Wilson couldn't be extended again. I do agree with Ricky in that Extensions and other Contract Statuses need to be tracked better by GMs as well as on MFL as Frank has already mentioned. One rule that could be added is that trades cannot be voted on until the original trade post and acceptance is done with all valid contracts and statuses. Thats one way of making the GMs keep better track of contracts. The first stage here is definitely for the GMs of the affected trades to try and agree something as I'm sure the Seahawks could've traded Wilson for more if they thought Wilson could still be extended, yet I'm not sure if Washington makes that trade if they don't think they can extend Wilson. Once we have some feedback from them we can move ahead with further discussions if needed. Reverting the trades seems most fair as if we keep the trade as is now then it seems that at least one GM loses out.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Mar 2, 2021 19:02:12 GMT -5
Can we not just make a 3rd extension and Agree on terms and give everyone the same opportunity to sign a player to an extension 3 times ?
May need to give Sea a chance tho to extend Wilson.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Mar 2, 2021 19:40:09 GMT -5
Contract option A: 150% or 10M for this positions (QB) --- (16M minimum for 2nd extension).......3rd extension 22M Contract option B: 150% or 6M for these positions (RB,WR) --- (11M minimum for 2nd extension).......3rd extension 15M Contract option C: 150% or 5M for these positions (TE,LB) --- (10M minimum for 2nd extension).........3rd extension 13M Contract option D: 150% or 4M for these positions (DE,K,S) --- (8M minimum for 2nd extension)..........3rd extension 10M Contract option E: 150% or 3M for this positions (DT) ---(6M minimum for 2nd extension)..........3rd extension 8M Contract option F: 150% or 2.5M for this position (CB) --- (5M for 2nd extension)...........3rd extension 7M
Rough idea?
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Mar 2, 2021 20:34:18 GMT -5
Looking at the trade, the Seahawks never stated either extension, whether Wilson was on his first or second extension. Judging by Washington's reaction, he clearly had the impression that Wilsom was extendable. My inclination here is simply to reverse the trade, since the trade was never properly documented, not that Im blaming Seahawks GM, because he most likely never knew because Wilson's first contract was most likely extended before he even joined the league.
I have talked to Blaine, he is good with a trade reversal, have PMd Josh, waiting for his imput.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Mar 2, 2021 20:35:52 GMT -5
That being said, because Blaine thought he had secured a QB, he then went on to trade Wentz to me.
I have given Blaine the option to reverse our trade if he likes.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Mar 2, 2021 20:47:12 GMT -5
Very fair !!
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Mar 2, 2021 21:14:41 GMT -5
Seahawks gave me verbal confirmation that he is willing to reverse the trade. I am also willing to have the trade reversed. Thank you everyone for your input and I apologize for the controversy
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Mar 2, 2021 21:22:43 GMT -5
I have also received confirmation from the Seahawks on trade reversal, and I will give Washington 24 hours to decide if he wants to keep the trade made with Rams, or he can choose to reverse.
I want to thank everybody for their thoughts, we have a league with a great group of GM's.
Next step is to update the extension rule, once done we can reopen trading.
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Mar 2, 2021 21:42:14 GMT -5
After some thought Washington has decided to NOT reverse my trade with the Rams. We thank the league for being fair but we will honor our trade.
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