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Post by Panthers GM (Jesse) on Jan 26, 2022 14:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Jan 26, 2022 14:56:10 GMT -5
There are 22 of our GMs on GroupMe. 11 of them are from the AFC. If this was an NFC conspiracy then why would half the members be from the opposing conference? In that initial conversation of the switch in the GroupMe thread that we're talking about how many of those teams were NFC compared to AFC that were involved in the conversation? Not our fault they didn’t express their thoughts….
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 14:57:30 GMT -5
In that initial conversation of the switch in the GroupMe thread that we're talking about how many of those teams were NFC compared to AFC that were involved in the conversation? Not our fault they didn’t express their thoughts…. Correct. But it's not my fault y'all try to handle leave business on GroupMe when it should be done here like it always has been. That doesn't mean you can't discuss things I understand that. But to discuss direct options of how you want the league to be run and then to come here and act like we got a new rule for everybody. No no no it's not a new rule it's what you guys planned on happening already now you guys are just putting it into motion by tryig to creative rule for this scenario instead of a league wide beneficial scenario.
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Jan 26, 2022 14:59:27 GMT -5
Wait wait. So this conversation and idea was decided or at least brought up back since November? Wow. And we still can't get public acknowledgment of that idea it all had to be done behind closed doors and PM's? So this wasn't an instant idea that just got pushed through Y'all have been cooking this up for a long time as a way to get Anthony to the AFC. Wow. No wonder the NFC teams are cool with him coming over here. Y'all been trying to figure out a way to get him out of that conference this whole time. Wow. Then you guys want to act like our concerns aren't justified and we're crazy for bringing these up thought that are different then yall's original plan. When the whole time y'all had a plan/idea structured and figured out in the background. Obviously, I'm upset for a few reasons...But, with all due respect, I don't believe there was any type of collusion in this matter. The conversation was brought into question for two reasons:
1) The idea of switching teams was brought up, and from that idea a proposition was supposed to be presented; and 2) the intent of "balancing" the conferences.
As to the first, it's a matter of process. Rather than wait on a proposition, Anthony sought out a switch and presented it to Frank (which he believes was not wrong). As a separate and distinct transaction, the switch was approved and took place. From there, a proposition is being formulated to help facilitate that switch. Do I believe the process could have (and should have) been handled differently? Absolutely. But, imo, it wasn't collusion in as much as it was faulty process, and perhaps biased premature approval.
As to the second, the objections coming from the AFC South to this premature switch were taken as having a hidden intent of being afraid of competition.
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Post by Panthers GM (Jesse) on Jan 26, 2022 15:00:34 GMT -5
Not our fault they didn’t express their thoughts…. Correct. But it's not my fault y'all try to handle leave business on GroupMe when it should be done here like it always has been. That doesn't mean you can't discuss things I understand that. But to discuss direct options of how you want the league to be run and then to come here and act like we got a new rule for everybody. No no no it's not a new rule it's what you guys planned on happening already now you guys are just putting it into motion by tryig to creative rule for this scenario instead of a league wide beneficial scenario. RICKY!! Find yourself here man. He MENTIONED HE MIGHT BE INTERESTED, MONTHS AGO! There was no "plan" or backtracing to justify the change. he probably said it while watching TV one night. Commish should be able to just APPROVE IT ANYWAY if he sees it as fine! YOU wanted your say on the matter, now here we are acting like this is the Supreme Court. You are being completely ridiculous, and im saying that as a FRIEND. You're one of my favorite leaguemates to trade with and talk to, i've said it a ton of times.
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Post by Jaguars GM (Shane) on Jan 26, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -5
Nobody in that chat is colluding or conspiring, they’re talking about changes to the league just like all of us do every off-season. Because Anthony jumped the gun and created an agreement with Laura before there was a rule in place doesn’t mean that anyone running the league is corrupt and work behind the scenes to screw you. You crossed the line and started reading peoples minds and divining their motives. You owe everybody an apology.
I’ve known Frank for almost 30 years. He is at heart the best person I know, including myself. Of all people, to think Frank would conspire with Anthony is laughable considering some of the crazy disagreements they’ve had with each other. And to think Frank would destroy the league that he built and loves is disgraceful. Shame on you.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 15:03:02 GMT -5
Wait wait. So this conversation and idea was decided or at least brought up back since November? Wow. And we still can't get public acknowledgment of that idea it all had to be done behind closed doors and PM's? So this wasn't an instant idea that just got pushed through Y'all have been cooking this up for a long time as a way to get Anthony to the AFC. Wow. No wonder the NFC teams are cool with him coming over here. Y'all been trying to figure out a way to get him out of that conference this whole time. Wow. Then you guys want to act like our concerns aren't justified and we're crazy for bringing these up thought that are different then yall's original plan. When the whole time y'all had a plan/idea structured and figured out in the background. Obviously, I'm upset for a few reasons...But, with all due respect, I don't believe there was any type of collusion in this matter. The conversation was brought into question for two reasons:
1) The idea of switching teams was brought up, and from that idea a proposition was supposed to be presented; and 2) the intent of "balancing" the conferences.
As to the first, it's a matter of process. Rather than wait on a proposition, Anthony sought out a switch and presented it to Frank (which he believes was not wrong). As a separate and distinct transaction, the switch was approved and took place. From there, a proposition is being formulated to help facilitate that switch. Do I believe the process could have (and should have) been handled differently? Absolutely. But, imo, it wasn't collusion in as much as it was faulty process, and perhaps biased premature approval.
As to the second, the objections coming from the AFC South to this premature switch were taken as having a hidden intent of being afraid of competition.
This is what I'm trying to say but Darryl's just a lot better with the words than I am but this is exactly the idea I'm trying to convey as well. The process itself does not go over well with me.
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Post by Ravens GM (Nate) on Jan 26, 2022 15:04:03 GMT -5
This is really simple to solve guys. Almost every single GM is on GroupMe. Here's a rule proposition, every GM MUST JOIN GROUPME. There is no funny business, it's easier to talk, easier to throw ideas around, and to foster friendships. I don't accept Frank's resignation. This isn't on him.
Ricky, we've had some great deals and I've always found you reasonable, friendly, and a good guy. But there has to be something more behind what's going on with you here. I get your argument about giving an owner who hasn't been active a better team. That part I can get behind. Ant taking over the Texans should be no big deal. Who cares? He wants a challenge, let him have one. If you are so worried about transparency, join GroupMe. It's not our fault if you won't. You miss out on a lot over there. If you have a problem with Ant, just say so. If you don't, who cares which team he takes over? Yeah, I got a little ticked too about his comment about the AFC being scared, but its a competition, sticks and stones guys, let's show him he's not the only one who can build a team! If your sole concern is giving the giants to Laura, maybe that would be a good vote to propose, let her state her case (though I think she has somewhere?) and let the league vote on giving her another chance or not. Then, depending on the outcome, we can decide which team or teams are available.
Accusing the league and Frank especially, of some sort of conspiracy is ridiculous. Focus on the rules, not accusations or personal attacks. Like I said, this isn't the guy I've been dealing with, I don't know what triggered you on this. I hope you can take some time and articulate what is behind all this. If not, you've made your point. Now let it go. I don't want to ruin a league that took me in, has taught me a ton, and so many been helpful in learning what Dynasty is all about due to one hiccup or one disgruntled GM.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 15:05:21 GMT -5
In that pole I voted full confidence in Frank. As I've been on record of stating many times there's no one else I'd rather have be our commissioner. Because I ask questions and try to figure things out doesn't mean I'm trying to overthrow the commissioner or his league. But the same time I feel like I have just as much right as anybody else to express concern with a rule that's being presented to benefit certain people in the league in my opinion.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 15:08:09 GMT -5
Nobody in that chat is colluding or conspiring, they’re talking about changes to the league just like all of us do every off-season. Because Anthony jumped the gun and created an agreement with Laura before there was a rule in place doesn’t mean that anyone running the league is corrupt and work behind the scenes to screw you. You crossed the line and started reading peoples minds and divining their motives. You owe everybody an apology. I’ve known Frank for almost 30 years. He is at heart the best person I know, including myself. Of all people, to think Frank would conspire with Anthony is laughable considering some of the crazy disagreements they’ve had with each other. And to think Frank would destroy the league that he built and loves is disgraceful. Shame on you. Yeah I'll take all the heat and the shame on this matter no problem. If that's what it takes for everyone to feel okay about it then fine I'll take it's all on me. Everyone point their fingers and boo over here so everyone else will feel better about what they're doing that's fine. If y'all will feel better about me writing in a public apology to everybody in a thread or PM I can do that as well if that appeases the masses. But you just credit my opinion and thoughts process on the matter I don't agree with either.
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Post by Panthers GM (Jesse) on Jan 26, 2022 15:09:22 GMT -5
Wait wait. So this conversation and idea was decided or at least brought up back since November? Wow. And we still can't get public acknowledgment of that idea it all had to be done behind closed doors and PM's? So this wasn't an instant idea that just got pushed through Y'all have been cooking this up for a long time as a way to get Anthony to the AFC. Wow. No wonder the NFC teams are cool with him coming over here. Y'all been trying to figure out a way to get him out of that conference this whole time. Wow. Then you guys want to act like our concerns aren't justified and we're crazy for bringing these up thought that are different then yall's original plan. When the whole time y'all had a plan/idea structured and figured out in the background. Obviously, I'm upset for a few reasons...But, with all due respect, I don't believe there was any type of collusion in this matter. The conversation was brought into question for two reasons:
1) The idea of switching teams was brought up, and from that idea a proposition was supposed to be presented; and 2) the intent of "balancing" the conferences.
As to the first, it's a matter of process. Rather than wait on a proposition, Anthony sought out a switch and presented it to Frank (which he believes was not wrong). As a separate and distinct transaction, the switch was approved and took place. From there, a proposition is being formulated to help facilitate that switch. Do I believe the process could have (and should have) been handled differently? Absolutely. But, imo, it wasn't collusion in as much as it was faulty process, and perhaps biased premature approval.
As to the second, the objections coming from the AFC South to this premature switch were taken as having a hidden intent of being afraid of competition.
Nah see, this is where the issue is coming from. it WASNT going to be presented. Frank thought it sounded like a reasonable idea here and he was going to approve the switch. then Ricky raised a stink apparently, so Frank decided to have a debate here. It was brought up that a proposal for a rule for dealing with this in the future be crafted, so we went into drafting mode. Of course, instead of drafting certain GMs just got pissed off because they didnt want Anthony and Laura specifically switching, now they're trying to pretend there's this grand conspiracy to balance the league. Anyone with eyes can see the NFC had more top scoring teams than the AFC this year, but that was nobody's intention ever, to use this to balance the league.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 15:11:41 GMT -5
Correct. But it's not my fault y'all try to handle leave business on GroupMe when it should be done here like it always has been. That doesn't mean you can't discuss things I understand that. But to discuss direct options of how you want the league to be run and then to come here and act like we got a new rule for everybody. No no no it's not a new rule it's what you guys planned on happening already now you guys are just putting it into motion by tryig to creative rule for this scenario instead of a league wide beneficial scenario. RICKY!! Find yourself here man. He MENTIONED HE MIGHT BE INTERESTED, MONTHS AGO! There was no "plan" or backtracing to justify the change. he probably said it while watching TV one night. Commish should be able to just APPROVE IT ANYWAY if he sees it as fine! YOU wanted your say on the matter, now here we are acting like this is the Supreme Court. You are being completely ridiculous, and im saying that as a FRIEND. You're one of my favorite leaguemates to trade with and talk to, i've said it a ton of times. I understand what you are saying. But that's now how this has been presented when first laying out the framework of this idea. I consider you and a lot of people here my friend. To me that's even more reason we should be able to have the tough discussions. Not to just walk away and wash our hands of it all.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 15:16:20 GMT -5
This is really simple to solve guys. Almost every single GM is on GroupMe. Here's a rule proposition, every GM MUST JOIN GROUPME. There is no funny business, it's easier to talk, easier to throw ideas around, and to foster friendships. I don't accept Frank's resignation. This isn't on him. Ricky, we've had some great deals and I've always found you reasonable, friendly, and a good guy. But there has to be something more behind what's going on with you here. I get your argument about giving an owner who hasn't been active a better team. That part I can get behind. Ant taking over the Texans should be no big deal. Who cares? He wants a challenge, let him have one. If you are so worried about transparency, join GroupMe. It's not our fault if you won't. You miss out on a lot over there. If you have a problem with Ant, just say so. If you don't, who cares which team he takes over? Yeah, I got a little ticked too about his comment about the AFC being scared, but its a competition, sticks and stones guys, let's show him he's not the only one who can build a team! If your sole concern is giving the giants to Laura, maybe that would be a good vote to propose, let her state her case (though I think she has somewhere?) and let the league vote on giving her another chance or not. Then, depending on the outcome, we can decide which team or teams are available. Accusing the league and Frank especially, of some sort of conspiracy is ridiculous. Focus on the rules, not accusations or personal attacks. Like I said, this isn't the guy I've been dealing with, I don't know what triggered you on this. I hope you can take some time and articulate what is behind all this. If not, you've made your point. Now let it go. I don't want to ruin a league that took me in, has taught me a ton, and so many been helpful in learning what Dynasty is all about due to one hiccup or one disgruntled GM. Hey Nate. I understand a lot of what you are saying. Not everyone here has the ability to join group me or wants to when we have proboards for league matters. I appreciate the kind words on the matter and getting input form other GM's on how they see the matter is always good. As I've mentioned many times I always understood the general idea of Anthony coming to the AFC.
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Jan 26, 2022 15:18:30 GMT -5
In that pole I voted full confidence in Frank. As I've been on record of stating many times there's no one else I'd rather have be our commissioner. Because I ask questions and try to figure things out doesn't mean I'm trying to overthrow the commissioner or his league. But the same time I feel like I have just as much right as anybody else to express concern with a rule that's being presented to benefit certain people in the league in my opinion. You support Frank but accuse him of collusion?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 15:20:29 GMT -5
GM'S have many different ways to build their teams, but there comes a time when you want to try a different avenue. Trying to rebuild a different team and reaching the playoffs with that new rebuilt team, can bring many satisfaction. I see no reason to not accept this rule if both GM's agree to the switch. It does no detriment to the league except add excitement to 2 veteran GM's to try a new role in a new hot seat. I vote yes, this rule is good for the league.
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