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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 9, 2015 13:58:36 GMT -5
As I was looking at the potential division clinching scenarios over the next couple weeks, I made it a point to refresh my memory of the tie breaker rules that will come into play here:
As per league rules, here are the tie breaker rules:
1st - Head to Head 2nd - All Play Record 3rd - Conference Record 4th - Division Record
Now these are the current rules for the current year, as these were the rules I inherited when I took over this league, and this will not change for the current season.
Just something to reconsider, and if can get some help with NFL clarification rules. But, shouldn't division record be the first tie breaker?
Followed by head to head and then conference record?
Using the all-play, Im not quite sure why we would use that. For those that dont understand what the all play is, it can be found on MFL in the Power Ranking section.
I'm just wondering if we have this right, and maybe its time to re-figure the tie breaks for future seasons.
Thoughts?
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Post by Lions GM on Nov 13, 2015 16:50:13 GMT -5
yeah.I thought division record was 1st tiebreaker for division title also.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 9:25:07 GMT -5
I think either moving All play record to number 4 or removing completely is a good idea. It puts more emphasis on conference games. I mean, the goal is to be conference champion, League champion can come later.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 15, 2015 11:11:26 GMT -5
Ive been doing some research: Here are the NFL RULES: www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingproceduresHere's what I'm thinking for Legacy: Division Winners Tiebreakers
1. Overall Record 2. Division Record 3. Head-to-Head Record (2 teams only) 4. Conference Record 5. Strength of Victory (PPG Won by) 6. All Play Record 7. Coin Toss Wild Card Tiebreakers If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
1. Overall Record 2. Head-to-Head Record (2 teams only) 3. Conference Record 4. Srenght of Victory (PPG Won by) 5. All Play Record 6. Coin Toss Tell me what you guys think...
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Post by Lions GM on Nov 17, 2015 17:06:58 GMT -5
sounds good to me
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Nov 17, 2015 17:24:55 GMT -5
Just questioned this (to self) the other day...but didn't want to make a fuss as we play according to the rules.
During the season tie breakers and playoff tie breakers should be separate - with no distinction it allows two or more teams in the same division with identical records, yet causing one to lose the division title even though they may have won more divisional games...truly an injustice.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 17, 2015 18:11:49 GMT -5
Darryl, these rules I think are from NFFL, another league that is very popular. I've never been crazy about these particular tie breakers, but it just hasn't crossed my mind in the past to change them. However, as always, I'm on a mission to make this the best league we can build, and the tie breaker rules have to be addressed. I agree that we have to differentiate the Division tie breaker from the wild card tie breaker. Its just a matter of coming up with the right rules, and in what particular order. I went through the NFL Rules, and picked out what I thought were the best rules for this league, and tried to keep them in the order that the NFL uses to break ties.
Give me your thoughts when you have a moment.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 17, 2015 18:14:28 GMT -5
The only one I'm not sure of is the strength of victory over all play. If you have a weak schedule I think that gives you an inherit advantage, I believe all play takes into consideration the teams that you have played and the strength of your schedule.
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Nov 17, 2015 20:16:47 GMT -5
The only one I'm not sure of is the strength of victory over all play. If you have a weak schedule I think that gives you an inherit advantage, I believe all play takes into consideration the teams that you have played and the strength of your schedule. All Play takes into consideration how many teams a particular team would defeat (or suffer a loss too) in any given week. For example, If a team scores 250 points and is the high scorer in week 1, would have defeated all 31 remaining teams, and thus be 31-0 Finishing with 222 point in week 2, would have defeated 24 teams and loss to the remaining 7. Their record would then be (31 + 24) or 55-7....etc. As can be seen, using All Play, the stronger teams will always have the advantage. By contrast, strength of victory offers more diversity and a much more equalized playing field imo, since strength of victory refers to the combined winning percentages of the opponents that a particular team has beaten. Currently the schedule pits teams with equal finishes against one another, which makes for a more competitive season (again imo). It isn't perfect, nor is it a science when having to consider the strength and/or weaknesses of division rivals - but none-the-less gives all teams a more competitive advantage.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 17, 2015 20:40:19 GMT -5
So... What is the formula for strength of schedule. How do we determine how a team has a weaker or stronger schedule?
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Nov 17, 2015 21:05:05 GMT -5
I believe term "strength of schedule" presents a somewhat misnomer as far as actual strengths and weaknesses.
Naturally a team that has a weaker schedule will play other like teams outside of division play giving them a weaker schedule. However, in determining for tie-breaking purposes, each of the tied teams will combine the win/loss record of the teams they have defeated.
This function is performed automatically by MFL if set...
For example; Jaguars and Ravens are currently tied (as of now Ravens have advantage due to All-Play)
Ravens have defeated - Saints, Patriots, Titans, Packers, Steelers, Jets
Jaguars have defeated - 49'ers, Titans, Chargers, Colts, Seahawks, Raiders
Without going through the actual combined winning percentages, looks as though Ravens has had the stronger schedule
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 17, 2015 21:21:37 GMT -5
Okay, I like that. Especially if MFL will calculate that for us.
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Post by Rams GM (Frank) on Nov 17, 2015 21:25:11 GMT -5
So this is what I have now, after changing 'strength of victory, in favor of 'Strength of schedule'.
Division Winners Tiebreakers
1. Overall Record 2. Division Record 3. Head-to-Head Record (2 teams only) 4. Conference Record 5. Strength of Schedule 6. All Play Record 7. Coin Toss
Wild Card Tiebreakers If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
1. Overall Record 2. Head-to-Head Record (2 teams only) 3. Conference Record 4. Srenght of Schedule 5. All Play Record 6. Coin Toss
How does this list look?
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Nov 17, 2015 21:31:35 GMT -5
That should work well...very very rarely will tie breakers be taken beyond these boundaries....I like it
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