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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Jan 26, 2022 16:03:02 GMT -5
What your missing is, the NFC is being accused of conspiring here, Frank is in the NFC and also in the discussions that Darryl posted, how can he continue when he’s been implicated and accused. How can any of us continue with these accusations? I assume we continue by deciding one what we're going to do with the rule at hand. Then we can proceed to other things after that. But to just walk away from the situation I don't think it's beneficial either. I assume the league is dead because I’m not sure it bounces back from this, conspiracy/collusion is a death sentence
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Jan 26, 2022 16:03:29 GMT -5
This is what your questioning I am in agreement that I could have definitely worded this better so I apologize for that. My intention on this post was for this scenario only. I was trying to reply to multiple different GMs at one time. I'm using voice to text which is why some of these words here and there are mixed up. I understand that generally Frank brings most things to the league and I have no problem admitting that I definitely could have worded this reply a lot better instead of a heat of a moment response. What I'm essentially trying to say is at this point how do we proceed with this rule? Because the situation is so cloudy I'm not exactly sure. I do think that this rule has been presented to favor the way the process is wanted to be done which I've stated in other threads as well. But again I am in agreement that I should have definitely worded this reply a lot better. Let's hope Ricky that this apology is enough to get our Commish back. I sure hope it is. The entire league knows the type of man Frank is. Here is the reality The rule would pass if put to a vote. The majority of the league does not have any issue with any of this. You are in the minority on this one, and The cloudy part you are talking now as the reasoning why this can't happen, was clouded by you. Is that enough to stop all of this. At this point I am not sure. My first priority is getting out commish back. That is what matters.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 16:05:12 GMT -5
What rule? There is no rule yet, we can’t even get to the point of voting on the rule because we are all being accused of collusion. No rule has come about yet because we have strayed from calling Laura a bad gm to now half the league conspiring. This is crazy how out of control this has become. A simple swap between two gms who have been in the league for 10 years, should be a non-issue. The rule that's being presented at the start of this thread. You would say that we strayed I would say that it's being pointed out that of GM with little to no activity is being moved. That's been established that we have different viewpoints on that. But I think right now we have to figure out Frank's doing because what's the point of discussing a rule if we don't have a league.
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Jan 26, 2022 16:07:02 GMT -5
We haven’t discussed the actual rule for like 3days lol
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 16:07:27 GMT -5
I am in agreement that I could have definitely worded this better so I apologize for that. My intention on this post was for this scenario only. I was trying to reply to multiple different GMs at one time. I'm using voice to text which is why some of these words here and there are mixed up. I understand that generally Frank brings most things to the league and I have no problem admitting that I definitely could have worded this reply a lot better instead of a heat of a moment response. What I'm essentially trying to say is at this point how do we proceed with this rule? Because the situation is so cloudy I'm not exactly sure. I do think that this rule has been presented to favor the way the process is wanted to be done which I've stated in other threads as well. But again I am in agreement that I should have definitely worded this reply a lot better. Let's hope Ricky that this apology is enough to get our Commish back. I sure hope it is. The entire league knows the type of man Frank is. Here is the reality The rule would pass if put to a vote. The majority of the league does not have any issue with any of this. You are in the minority on this one, and The cloudy part you are talking now as the reasoning why this can't happen, was clouded by you. Is that enough to stop all of this. At this point I am not sure. My first priority is getting out commish back. That is what matters. Clouded by me? Because I asked questions to why a process is being done? Overall I agree with you though The concern right now is figuring out what Frank is doing.
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Jan 26, 2022 16:08:43 GMT -5
Obviously, I'm upset for a few reasons...But, with all due respect, I don't believe there was any type of collusion in this matter. The conversation was brought into question for two reasons:
1) The idea of switching teams was brought up, and from that idea a proposition was supposed to be presented; and 2) the intent of "balancing" the conferences.
As to the first, it's a matter of process. Rather than wait on a proposition, Anthony sought out a switch and presented it to Frank (which he believes was not wrong). As a separate and distinct transaction, the switch was approved and took place. From there, a proposition is being formulated to help facilitate that switch. Do I believe the process could have (and should have) been handled differently? Absolutely. But, imo, it wasn't collusion in as much as it was faulty process, and perhaps biased premature approval.
As to the second, the objections coming from the AFC South to this premature switch were taken as having a hidden intent of being afraid of competition.
Nah see, this is where the issue is coming from. it WASNT going to be presented. Frank thought it sounded like a reasonable idea here and he was going to approve the switch. then Ricky raised a stink apparently, so Frank decided to have a debate here. It was brought up that a proposal for a rule for dealing with this in the future be crafted, so we went into drafting mode. Of course, instead of drafting certain GMs just got pissed off because they didnt want Anthony and Laura specifically switching, now they're trying to pretend there's this grand conspiracy to balance the league. Anyone with eyes can see the NFC had more top scoring teams than the AFC this year, but that was nobody's intention ever, to use this to balance the league. I can accept that the switch between Anthony and Laura was not going to be presented. However, the idea of GM's switching teams was originally said by Frank to be presented as a proposition. The fact , as you state, that Frank thought the proposed switch was reasonable is beside the point. Because if that is reasonable, why are we now trying to formulate a rule? If the presentation was reasonable and approved, then a process has already taken place.
As to objections, over the past five years Laura is arguably the worse GM in the league and has damaged the competitive balance in the AFC South. But at least she's somewhat sticking with the mess she created (or was) rather than leaving afterwards. So the concerns raised of her even being in the league at this point is a valid concern, let alone getting the opportunity to destroy another team.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 16:09:12 GMT -5
We haven’t discussed the actual rule for like 3days lol I've tried discussing the rule in previous threads of outlining things I've want to see done with the rule. Then a new thread about it was created.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Jan 26, 2022 16:14:42 GMT -5
We haven’t discussed the actual rule for like 3days lol I've tried discussing the rule in previous threads of outlining things I've want to see done with the rule. Then a new thread about it was created. Then Ricky why didn’t you just write up your rule And we could of had a vote? Your proposal vs the one posted Why all this ? We did enough discussing , should Of written up a rule and we could and should Of voted But instead we’re spread conspiracies
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Post by Broncos GM (Kevin) on Jan 26, 2022 16:15:40 GMT -5
I’ve been reading a lot Just to squash one conspiracy and explained earlier Without having my words minced Why HOUSTON The two NFC rebuilding teams , cardinals and bears, wouldn’t give up team . That simple everyone . All of this was simple . This is all really disappointing to see soo many good people thrown through the grinder and the Broncos ain't on group me ....
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Post by Washington GM (Blaine) on Jan 26, 2022 16:16:11 GMT -5
Well I think I’ve said my piece, I don’t appreciate the Collusion accusations, I’m amazed at the level this has spun out of control. It’s caused a lot of different things to cross my mind. I’m backing off now, I sincerely hope this league continues but I understand Franks position and understand if the league can’t move forward.
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 16:16:35 GMT -5
Because I feel like if I write up a rule That's me being in agreement with your guys's process of how it happened. And I'm not an agreement with the way the processed happened. So I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm okay with it by being included in writing a rule that I don't feel should even be for this scenario.
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Jan 26, 2022 16:17:09 GMT -5
I've tried discussing the rule in previous threads of outlining things I've want to see done with the rule. Then a new thread about it was created. Then Ricky why didn’t you just write up your rule And we could of had a vote? Your proposal vs the one posted Why all this ? We did enough discussing , should Of written up a rule and we could and should Of voted But instead we’re spread conspiracies Colts , you want to punish bad owners , I will work with you to write up a rule to solve that . But that is a separate matter .
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Post by Bills GM (Anthony) on Jan 26, 2022 16:19:05 GMT -5
Because I feel like if I write up a rule That's me being in agreement with your guys's process of how it happened. And I'm not an agreement with the way the processed happened. So I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm okay with it by being included in writing a rule that I don't feel should even be for this scenario. Then Ricky you are one vote . Your vote counts just as much as the next. If the majority agreed with you, you’d have nothing to worry about . We would of found out through the voting process if the majority did .
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Post by Titans GM (Ricky) on Jan 26, 2022 16:23:51 GMT -5
Because I feel like if I write up a rule That's me being in agreement with your guys's process of how it happened. And I'm not an agreement with the way the processed happened. So I'm not trying to give the impression that I'm okay with it by being included in writing a rule that I don't feel should even be for this scenario. Then Ricky you are one vote . Your vote counts just as much as the next. If the majority agreed with you, you’d have nothing to worry about . We would of found out through the voting process if the majority did . I understand that I'm just one vote but what I'm trying to say is I'm not even sure there should be a vote for this scenario. But since we have a scenario before a rule could be established it makes the situation cloudy for some. Even though I will be the only one thats accused of making the situation cloudy.
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Post by Colts GM (Darryl) on Jan 26, 2022 16:28:33 GMT -5
Then Ricky why didn’t you just write up your rule And we could of had a vote? Your proposal vs the one posted Why all this ? We did enough discussing , should Of written up a rule and we could and should Of voted But instead we’re spread conspiracies Colts , you want to punish bad owners , I will work with you to write up a rule to solve that . But that is a separate matter . Never proposed punishing anyone. We have enough rules in place for that anyway. And disagree that this is a separate matter. You're trade is intricately connected to her track record, which was reasonably objected to. Not that it matters, as Frank has already stated he's keeping her. We'll just have to see what that Giants roster looks like in a couple of years or so.
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